Review: ACDSee Pro2 April 5th, 2008

Hi there… as promised, here is my first detailed DAM review. In this episode, we take a look at Pro 2 which is a DAM application by ACDSee geared towards the professional photographer. So… here we go!

Application Version Review Date Price Review By Technology
ACDSee Pro 2 2.0 (b219) April 6, 2008 $129 Andy PC (MAC via Parallels)
Website http://www.acdsee.com

General Overview

ACDSee Pro 2 Photo Manager (herein called Pro 2), is touted on their website as:

“…the most powerful software platform for viewing, processing, editing, organizing and publishing your photos.”

This certainly caught my attention and therefore, I downloaded and installed the 30 day demo and started exploring and playing. Now, I should mention that I’ve been a fan of ACDsee for a long time having used their photo “manager” back when it was nothing more than a Windows photo viewer for Windows 95 (ie: ACDsee 1.0). Over the years, I continued to use the product but eventually moved away from it as it gained too many functions that weighed it down as a simple image viewer (I had discovered Irfanview…). So, as I waited for the demo to download, I was hopeful that this newest product would still contain the quickness of that simple viewer along with the advanced functionality needed by digital photographers to manage their growing collections… I am happy to say that (for the most part) Pro 2 delivers on both of these wishes.

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Installation

The installation of the product went very smoothly. You are first presented with the usual license agreement dialog followed by a dialog with the choice to install as a trial or as a full product (requires the license code).

You then can choose to install all program options or pick and choose which items to install by using the custom options dialog.

As you can see, there are a lot of options shown here including whether or not to install:

  • the Showroom (allows you to build and run desktop slideshows),
  • the Device Detector (Launch Pro 2 when a memory card is inserted)
  • certain Archive Plug-ins (used to view archive files like .zip, .rar and .tar)
  • extra Command Extensions (ability to upload to flickr, smugmug and Tivo!)
  • extra Image Plug-ins (to view formats such as .ico, .pcd, .djvu images)

The final installation screen will ask you if you’d like to associate file extensions to Pro 2. Your settings here will depend on how you wish to use the product. For me, I chose Custom to pick and choose which file types I want to open/browse with Pro 2. Since I’m not using Pro 2 to manage my music collection, I chose to only include photo extensions. But, the ability to manage all your files with a single product is a nice option - photos, music, videos, .pdf files and fonts can all be keyworded and searched from within Pro 2.

Choosing Next finishes the installation and brings up the file association box to set your “open with” commands within Windows. I actually turned off all file associations and shell commands as I want to continue to use Irfanview for all my quick viewing needs when opening images from Windows.

Finally, the installation finished and I was able to run the program. A fast, easy and painless installation process.

User Interface (GUI)

The main User Interface in Pro 2 is broken down into a number of panes and windows… and is customizable to a pretty good degree.

As you can see in the screenshot above, the main screen is broken into 4 parts: the Folders/Calendar/Favorites pane, the Main Thumbnail pane, the Organize/Properties/Catalog/IPTC pane and the Toolbar pane. Some GUI features:

  • The GUI uses the now “in vogue” grey/black/white color scheme that really allows you to focus in on the images and tends to be not as distracting as an “all white” background sometimes is. *Edit 4-12* John correctly let me know that you can choose from 4 color schemes including a windows XP based scheme.
  • You cannot modify the colors, fonts or font size of the GUI or pane items.
  • You can “move” or dock/undock the individual panes on the screen and move them around to suit a specific workflow step. For example, in the image below, I undocked the calendar panel from the Favorites/Folders pane and moved it towards the center of the window. Those arrows in the screenshot represent docking points in the Gui… drag the panel over a docking arrow and it will automatically dock the panel in place :

  • You can save different workspaces to get different looks depending on what task you might be working on. For quick photo culling, you might choose a GUI that looks like this:

  • and for keywording and general catalog editing, you might want one that looks like this:

  • This allows for a variety of different views that suits the stage of the workflow perfectly. One bug I ran into: when switching between workspaces, the program does not retain the size of the thumbnails you have set for that workspace. For example, when I switched from the mini-thumb mode above to the property edit mode above and then back to the mini-thumb workspace, the thumbnail size remained large and I had to manually move the slider to the correct size even though I had saved the workspace with the thumbnails set to a mini size. Hopefully, the thumbnail size will be retained in a new version of the program because this bug diminishes the usefulness of this feature. (I have submitted a bug report).

Metadata Handling

The photo above also demonstrates that you have access to a number of database and IPTC metadata shown very conveniently in the Organize/Properties pane. Organize allows you quickly display images that are placed into categories or by assigned rating. The categories are user defined and can be used to quickly display a group of photos that all belong to that specific category. For example, if I wanted to see all images with a cat in it, I would create the category: Cat and then drag and drop any photo that has a cat into that category. This is a manual process and must be done for any image you wish to include in the category. The following photo shows the result of clicking the cat category:

As you can see in the above example, I have only a few categories created for this demo.. but this is a nice way to quickly and easily find your images. You can also create these categories automatically using data from EXIF, IPTC and/or XMP fields. I’ll get to this in a moment..

There are other options to view images in your database from the Organize pane: Ratings and Auto Categories. Both of these options are populated automatically as images are either imported into the database (auto categories) or settings are applied to your photos (ratings). When you choose to view say photos with a rating of 4, it will search and show you entries from the entire catalog (not just a subset of the images you were currently viewing)… I’d love to see an option added that allows you to restrict these to just the images you were currently viewing rather than the entire database.

*Edit 04-12* John & Marc both pointed out that filters would be the best way to view the subset - correct - I forgot about the filters that will further reduce the results you are currently viewing.

There are also some add’l Special Items such as the Image Well, Uncategorized and Tagged images.. I think these are all self explanatory.

One really powerful and nicely implemented feature in Pro 2 is the Batch Information routine (Ctrl-M). The Batch Info function is used to copy data back and forth between the catalog and the IPTC/XMP data within the photos. This is how one would ensure all their catalog data is embedded back into each photo (or in sidecar files for RAW or non-image files). Here is a preview of the Batch Info screen:

Ok.. this screen has 4 tabs with a bunch of fields that will determine how and where data from both the catalog and from the IPTC/EXIF data is written to both the Pro 2 database and into the files - here’s how this works. On the first tab, you will see the fields that exist in the Pro 2 Database. They are: Caption, Date/time, Author, Rating, Notes, Keywords and Categories… these are the fields displayed on the property tab in the Organize/Properties pane. You are able to define what should be placed into these fields in the Set Batch Info dialog. You can enter a free text value, pull info from the database itself, or pull entries that exist in the Image’s EXIF, IPTC and XMP data fields. This is an extremely powerful way to keep your database in sync with your images and define custom templates to perform certain steps.

Let’s take our cat photo as an example. Let’s say that I just found the cat photo on my PC and want to load all the metadata into my database (the image was keyworded and metadata was added in another program). When I first view the photo properties in Pro 2, the image looks like this:

Notice, that I don’t have any keywords, rating, caption or rating listed in the catalog. Also, notice that I do not have any categories defined for this photo (none are checked off). So, I entered the Batch Set Info screen and set the field options as follows:

This screen defines exactly what values will be populated into the database. I set this up as:

Database Field Where is the value coming from?
Caption IPTC Caption
Author IPTC Photographer
Rating IPTC Urgency
Notes IPTC Special Instructions
Keywords IPTC Keywords
Categories IPTC Supplemental Categories

In addition, this powerful routine allows you to set data INTO the IPTC data in the file and choose where to pull the data from as shown in this screen:

This shows that we will also be updating the IPTC keywords from the Catalog Keywords, and the IPTC Supplemental Catgories from the Catalog Categories. Note that these options will not overwrite data that exists in the catalog or the image unless you specifically state so. This will allow you to control which is the dominant place for data but still allow you keep to things in sync if the data does not exists or is different.

After running the Batch Set Info on this image with the settings above, the following is seen in the Properties tab:

So, you can see that the database has been updated with the fields from the IPTC data as defined in the batch set information screen…. An amazingly powerful tool that makes keeping info up-to-date and in sync quite easy.

Some things to note.. there does seem to be a bug in the program where after you run the Batch Set Info tool and update the Database Categories, the newly set categories are displayed and defined, but they are not checked off. You must exit the Database pane and then re-enter it to see the check marks. Also, there is no tool to automatically show or tell you which files are not in sync.. ie: you’ve made changes to the database but they are not in the IPTC data within the file. This is a feature that I also really hope is in a future release… as a product targeted to pros, it is really important to be able to manage this without having to run Batch Set Info on the entire database all the time just to be sure…

There are lots of other metadata related features that are nice including:

  • the ability to define specific Database and IPTC elements to display in a Custom tab (choose those that are important to you)
  • icons that display above each thumbnail to indicate if catalog data has been entered (user controlled)

Some things I’d like to see added:

  • as mentioned, the ability to show an icon if metadata is out of sync between the Catalog and the Image
  • auto-update the IPTC data if it is changed outside the program and Pro 2 is running
  • ability to script off of the metadata in the program
  • rollover “balloon” in the thumbnail to display user defined info (like keywords) if you highlight the “catalog info exists” icon. You can turn on a rollover balloon to see a photo preview and some metadata.. but you cannot control what info is displayed. I’d like to just have an icon that signifies there are keywords and when you rollover the icon, it just shows you them.

All in all though… I must admit, Pro 2 is very easy to use to document and keywords your images!

RAW Editor

Let’s take a quick look at the other main feature of Pro 2 that sets it apart from other DAM programs - it’s full featured RAW editor. While I won’t spend too much time with this since you’d need to spend much longer than I have with the program to fully understand the complexities of the program, I will touch upon it and demo how quickly and easily you can update and convert your images using Pro 2.

Using the Pro 2 RAW editor is as easy as selecting the RAW Processing (or Batch Raw Processing) command from the main GUI as shown here:

You are then taken to the RAW Editor and the image is loaded and displayed along with the RAW tools.. this process did take a little longer than I would have liked for each .NEF image… but then again, I’m not using a Duel/Quad Core system for testing so results should be faster with a more modern PC. In any event, the following shows the RAW editing screen:

Ok.. so as we can see here, there are a number of tools available to modify the image… the standard fare: exposure, highlight recovery, fill light, contrast, etc.. and some new stuff unique to Pro 2… Light EQ and easy access to Luminance channel modifications. After tinkering with the values, I was able to achieve the following edits to the .NEF:

Quite a powerful tool… I was able to bring down the overexposed areas and control teh color a bit more.. Some things to note: batch processing the RAW files only allows you to copy and paste RAW settings from a single file to a single file… there is no ability to sync or auto-apply settings you make on one file to all the others in batch mode. Again, I’m hopeful this will change in the next version. Also, as noted, it takes a good amount of time on my PC to process the RAW files - not out of line but not as “snappy” as RAW Shooter or - dare I say it - Lightroom.

Another gotcha with Pro 2 is how it handles .DNG files… DNG files allow you to update the embedded preview image as you work on it in a RAW editor like Lightroom. In Pro 2, it will display accurately as a thumbnail and preview so any edits you make to the RAW file will be viewable in the Pro 2 database (might require a refresh of the thumbs). This is very nice and one reason to stick with DNG instead of Canon or Nikon RAW files which do not accommodate this feature. The problem is when you go to edit the DNG… of course, since you did not edit the RAW file in Pro 2, it cannot use the RAW settings embedded in the file and you basically get the original DNG image to work with. This might cause some confusion since you are not starting with the image as shown in the thumbnail or preview. Makes sense when you think about it.. but can be confusing and is something to note…

In conclusion, I find the RAW editor in Pro 2 a nice addition and really a viable option for editing your RAW files.

Search Capabilities

Searching is an important part of any DAM application as you will need a good way to find all those images you are cataloging. Pro 2 has a number of way to search for your images - let’s start with the Quick Search:

In the example above, I used the Quick Search to find any photo that had “trees” listed in the: Notes, Author, Caption, Keywords, Caption, Photographer, Headline, and Special Instructions in the Catalog AND in the IPTC fields. Note: The quick search only finds entries that EXACTLY MATCH what you type in… I’m not sure why they did this.. but be careful because no partial entries or wildcards are allowed. You are allowed to enter some basic ‘and/or/not’ operators to search for things like Red + Apple.

I must admit… the Quick Search is FAST! Blazing Fast! So fast, you’ll want to use it all the time even with it’s shortcomings….

However, for real power searching, you’ll want to use the Search Pane. The Search Pane can be activated by using Ctrl-Shift-3 or from the menu, View-> Search. When you open the Search Pane, you’ll see the following:

The search pane allows you to search on a number of things including:

  • searching for specific filenames (*.nef)
  • text searches within IPTC data (such as captions) (”Holiday in Cannes”)
  • you can restrict your searches to a specific folder or category (or group of categories) or search the entire database
  • Catalog, IPTC, EXIF and/or XMP properties (the real power of the search engine)

I’ll skip the obvious and jump right to the Properties search. As you might ebxpect, the properties search will allow you perform searches on specific Catalog fields such as Keywords or Caption. Once you “Add” a particular field, the display changes and shows you some options (these options change depending on the type of property chosen):

As you can see, I added a search on the Caption property and now am able to change the “is” and have to “set” a value to search for. If you click on the “is” variable, you will get a drop down that allows you to choose: is, is not, contains, is any of and starts with. This allows you to search in a number of ways to include/exclude and allows for partial word searching. If I click the “Click to set” variable, the words change to a text box and I can enter what I want to search for. In my example, I set up a search on Caption and Author as follows:

After hitting Start, I received the following results in my Test Database. So, by searching on: Caption contains Cat AND Author is andy, I received a hit on the Contemplative Cat photo. Some things to note here:

  • The search allows for partial entries (ie: Cat in caption)
  • The search allows for multiple criteria (ie: both caption and author is searched)
  • The properties allow you to search through IPTC, EXIF and Catalog fields for this info.

Ok… now for my gripes with this function as I feel the search pane is one area of Pro 2 that needs some improvement and tweaking:

  • You are unable to save searches for future use (!) I created some complex searches to test out the function and it worked great.. but then I realized I couldn’t save the criteria for using in the future… this is a big hole in the product.
  • There is a bug where sometimes if you have a property defined and go to edit it (ie: change ‘cat’ to ‘dog’), the edit box will automatically close on you.
  • There is also a strange bug that I ran into and also found mention of in the Pro 2 forums… if you do a search on the entire database, it is pretty quick - especially in my TEST database. However, when I changed the search to only do a selected directory (one that contained the photo in fact), it was slow.. very very slow.. the search took 30 seconds as compared to 1 second across the entire database!
  • Since you cannot save a search, you also cannot setup auto-updating searches that respond to changes in the database…

In summary, you can perform some very nice searches and most of the time, they are very quick… but the inability to save your search criteria is a huge feature hole - one that should be filled quickly in a Pro level product.

Scripting/Batch Functionality

Pro 2 does have a number of batch functions that are quite good. I’ll start with the one that has most of the functions added in: the Batch Processor. Here is what it looks like with a photo chosen:

So, the Batch Processor allows you to 13 functions on each selected image AND allows you to save the functions as a preset (thank you!). This is quite a powerful feature and can be used in a number of ways. For example, I used it to process some photos to post to my family blog page. I resized the images, applied some noise removal, sharpening and a watermark. The final images were then saved to subfolder.

Once you are done choosing all your options on the first screen, hitting Next takes you to the destination and renaming screen:

On this screen, you define the destination folder for the new images (if you don’t want to overwrite the originals), the file format to save the images as and some other options like preserving metadata and color profiles. Clicking next starts the processing (I wish they had changed Next to Begin so you know you are actually going to begin) and then a summary will be provided once the processing is done. You also have the option to view the new files and a final chance to save the preset. All-in-all a very nice tool.

Unfortunately, Pro 2 does not provide any scripting ability in the program. I wish this was included as it is a really nice option in some of the other DAM products and allows the community to share scripts to accomplish things not allowed standardly in the software.

The Kitchen Sink

And then.. there’s the rest of the software. There are many other functions that I haven’t touched upon (or used to be honest) that are included in Pro 2 and many of them look very nice!

  • The Slide Show creates….. a slideshow! But, it allows you to create the slideshow as: a standalone .exe, a windows slideshow .scr and (the nice one) as a flash slideshow (.swf). Lots of options including transitions and how long each slide should remain on the screen is included.
  • The PDF creates….. a PDF file! [ok.. I’m getting a bit tired now..:) ]
  • ACDSee Showroom creates a desktop slideshow “widget” if you installed this option that shows a small frame with your selected photos. The photos rotate and fade in and out.
  • You can Burn a CD or a DVD as well as creating a Video with your images in .avi, .wmv, .mpg or .mov via a wizard.. a nice option!
  • the HTML Album and contact sheet creator has a lot of options as well…

In conclusion, the additional tools that are included are quite nice and really round out the software. I not sure they are really geared towards pro photographers and might be leftovers from the last version but are nice to play with in any event.

Another area I haven’t touched upon is the standard photo editor included in Pro 2. It actually is very powerful and nicely laid out and implemented in the software. I’ll always use Photoshop to do my edits - but for the quick touchup, the tools are actually very nice. Here is what the editor looks like:

The editor contains the standard array of editing tools such as exposure, red eye, watermarking, noise, etc. The tools all have many options and worked quickly on the sample .jpg I played around with.

*Edit: 04-12* Note: In reviewing some feedback here and on the Pro 2 forum board, I was asked to check out the Shadows and Highlight tool in some more detail. Users said the tool did a very nice job on under/over exposed photos, adding “pop” to a photo and was a strong tool in the Pro 2 editor. So, I took a peek… and have to agree. It really did a nice job with my sample file. Take a look for yourself in the following comparison (the new image is on the left).. Not bad! I was able to add blacker blacks and some pop to the flower without taking it too far. With 9 levels of control, it really allows for some fine tuning:

So, I do tend to agree that the editor is really full featured and a wonderful bonus to a DAM - it will do the job very nicely.

Also, you have the Calendar Pane.. it provides a quick and easy way to find photos if you know the date (or an approximate date) for the photo. You have a number of view choices:

This view shows the main calender in Photo Calendar View.. as you move your mouse over a particular date in the calendar, you’ll see some thumbnails of images from that date (please ignore the fact that I’ve copied the file 4 times on my Hard Drive!). You can choose which date from the image will appear in the calendar - you choices are:

Here are some of the other views you can see - Day view, Month View, Year View and Event View:

If you know the approximate date of a particular event or photo you are looking for, the calendar feature can be quite handy. I do like how it show a sample list of photos when you rollover a date. I also like the way it tells you how many photos exist for a given month, day or event - its a nice quick way to see how many photos you have taken each month for example :mrgreen:

Conclusion:

In general, I am very, very impressed with Pro 2. The ACDSee team has done a good job of providing Pro users with a fast, clean and robust product that allows you to organize your photos quickly and accurately. I think there are still a number of areas that need to be tweaked or enhanced in order to really serve the amateur and professional photographer.

The search engine has a few bugs that really hinder it’s use and the lack of save-able searches in a big minus. On the other hand, a quick search is very fast and does search the typically important fields so finding your files by keyword is easy.

The fact that you don’t need to Import photos into the database is a mixed bag… since every item you hit upon is added to the catalog by simply browsing the folder pane, you will no doubt wind up adding things to the catalog that you may not want to (ie: .mp3 files, .jpgs you don’t want in there, etc). On the other hand, not having to go through an elaborate import to add to the catalog is really nice… just browse and it is added.

That lack of versioning in DAM products continues to amaze me. I’m big on versioning and think it should be a key feature of every DAM. Only one product currently has a real versioning function (Idimager) and it really helps it stand apart from other products. (I’ll discuss versioning and what I’d like to see in a post in the near future).

The build-in Editor also helps Pro 2 distinguish itself - the RAW editor is actually quite good and while the controls might not be as sophisticated as say Lightroom, the fact that you are basically getting it for free certainly helps. I hope more emphasis will be placed on the batch ability within the editor - multi-photo edit syncing will cut down on edit time and allow users to copy/paste across an entire photo group instead of doing individual changes.

So… all in all, I really like what ACDSee has done with Pro 2. I really hope the development team realizes the product they have and are motivated to take it to the next level with Pro 3 (or may I hope for a Pro 2.5?)… I believe Pro 2 is a really strong product that gives the other major DAM applications a run for the money.

I’d love to hear your thoughts on the product (and on my review of it).. so please post comments and as always, let me know what you think of the site.

Pros
Speed: Pro 2 is fast. Thumbnails are created quickly and the Quick Search allows you to find you images quickly..
GUI: Nicely done. The GUI is flexible allowing you to rearrange the panes however you’d like and creating custom workspaces to switch to for your desired workflow step.
Metadata: Another nice job. Catalog info and IPTC data are all displayed on a dedicated pan and allow you to easily view and edit individual photos or in a batch method. The sync process is also very clean and quick - the ability to save profiles is a big plus.
Search: Quick Search is fast
RAW Editor: A real bonus to the product and one that works fairly well. By using the RAW Editor in the product, your thumbs and images are displayed with those edits for completely accurate viewing.
Cons
Bugs: Like any product, there are bugs but unfortunately a few of them are kinda “in the way” when working with the product. Here are some big ones I found:

  • Saved workspaces do not remember the size of the thumbnails that were set when workspace was saved
  • When you use the Batch Info Tool and assign categories from the IPTC data, the organize pane does not check off those categories until it is refreshed.
  • Properties window in the Search function disappears when you try to change a value.
  • Searching a single folder take a very long time while searching the entire database is fast.
Thumbnail Icons: Pro 2 would benefit from some add’l icons that tell you things like you need to sync the metadata.
Search Function is really weak. The inability to save searches is a big minus.
No Versioning
No Scripting Ability

21 Responses to “Review: ACDSee Pro2”

  1. John Radcliffe Says:

    Thanks for the review. I’ve appended a few(?!) comments below. I don’t use Pro2 for RAW processing and so haven’t looked at that section. I must remember to check back to see reviews of other programs. I’ve been using ACDSee for just over 3 years (from v7), but periodically check out some of its rivals. So far I’ve always come back …
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    >Your review

    My response
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    >The GUI uses the now “in vogue” grey/black/white color scheme that really allows you to focus in on the images and tends to be not as distracting as an “all white” background sometimes is. You cannot modify the colors, fonts or font size of the GUI or pane items.

    However you can select one of four schemes (I prefer the “Medium”; i.e. grey background rather than black). (I’d like more control.)
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    >One bug I ran into: when switching between workspaces, the program does not retain the size of the thumbnails you have set for that workspace. For example, when I switched from the mini-thumb mode above to the property edit mode above and then back to the mini-thumb workspace, the thumbnail size remained large and I had to manually move the slider to the correct size even though I had saved the workspace with the thumbnails set to a mini size. Hopefully, the thumbnail size will be retained in a new version of the program because this bug diminishes the usefulness of this feature. (I have submitted a bug report).

    Pro2 saves two versions of each thumbnail: a large “master” version, and a “display” one at your chosen size. This means that swapping between different thumbnail sizes requires Pro2 to re-generate all the “display” thumbnails again. Now while it would be possible to store versions at each size, I for one wouldn’t like the consequent database bloat.
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    >I’d love to see an option added that allows you to restrict these to just the images you were currently viewing rather than the entire database.

    Have you tried Filtering by Rating?
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    >Also, there is no tool to automatically show or tell you which files are not in sync.. ie: you’ve made changes to the database but they are not in the IPTC data within the file.

    Of course the mapping would have to be user-defined, as Pro2 could only check a single mapping (while users can set up a variety of “templates” within Batch Set).
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    >rollover “balloon” in the thumbnail to display user defined info (like keywords) if you highlight the “catalog info exists” icon. You can turn on a rollover balloon to see a photo preview and some metadata.. but you cannot control what info is displayed. I’d like to just have an icon that signifies there are keywords and when you rollover the icon, it just shows you them.

    Check out: Tools > Options > File List > Thumbnail Info
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    >text searches for non photo files (”dog jumped over the cat”)

    I don’t know what you mean by this.
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    >The editor contains the standard array of editing tools such as exposure, red eye, watermarking, noise, etc.

    If you haven’t, you really should check out the (new for Pro2) Shows and Highlights > Advanced. It’s just about the only thing I use the editor for, as I otherwise prefer Photoshop Elements.
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    >The fact that you don’t need to Import photos into the database is a mixed bag… since every item you hit upon is added to the catalog by simply browsing the folder pane, you will no doubt wind up adding things to the catalog that you may not want to (ie: .mp3 files, .jpgs you don’t want in there, etc). On the other hand, not having to go through an elaborate import to add to the catalog is really nice… just browse and it is added.

    You can exclude specified folders and/or drives (personally I’d have preferred having to explicitly *Include* them).

  2. Andy Says:

    Hey John - thanks so much for stopping by and providing some feedback on the review. I appreciate your insight and what you reported… I actually did miss a few of them! Here is my follow-up to your comments:

    1. I missed the fact that you can choose from 4 GUI color schemes.. including a Windows theme. I would still like to be able to tweak the individual components of the GUI including being able to fully customize the thumbnail display (meaning - I’d like to be able to pick and chose where (and in what order) to place info under each thumbnail. As of 2.0, you can only choose the info to display but not the order and not the exact placement (ala imatch and idimager allows via scripts).

    2. I guess I wasn’t talking about “saving” add’l thumb versions.. but simply resizing them to match what you have saved with the workspace via the thumbnail slider. If you save 3 workspaces.. all with different settings on the thumbs slider, then when you switch between them, the thumbs should redraw to match that size as they do when you move the slider around.

    3. Yes, the filters will do that and I should have mentioned that.. and I guess that does solve that problem.

    4. Yes.. user defined would be great. I guess I just want some icon to appear (again ala imatch/idimager/lightroom) to indicate that something exists either in the catalog that hasn’t been written to the IPTC yet. AND.. ideally this would work in the other direction as well. Perhaps, once you choose to sync them via CTRL-M, it would highlight the fields that are out of sync and allow you to sync them (or just marked the files as in sync if you don’t want to)..?

    5. Funny.. I did know about that but for some reason, forgot that you can customize the popup. I’ll edit the review to indicate this..

    6. I misunderstood something.. I thought the ’search for text’ would allow you to search within ANY file that exists in the database.. it appears that even though you can choose non-photo items, you still must search on valid IPTC/catalog fields and not the text within say.. a WORD document. I’ll edit the review to be more specific.

    7. I did look at all those tools.. but since Shadows and Highlights are so similar to using Levels, I just skipped mentioning it. Being so used to doing all my edits in Photoshop, I basically do not use many editors in DAM products even for small things.. perhaps a bit elitist on my part.. but it is something I’m just so used to doing.

    8. Yes.. that’s what I meant as well. I too would prefer to have to check off a folder to include it so just browsing through your file list doesn’t just include everything you touch upon and force you to then right click and say “exclude folder”.

    Great info.. many thx for you thoughts and I’ll update the review with some of the things I missed!

    Thx - Andy.

  3. Marc Sabatella Says:

    Great review - I think you hit the right points.

    Regarding the above exchange:

    To view “current” files by rating, you can use Filter By as John suggests, but I would much prefer it worked as a “greater than or equal to” filter. That is, I never care about images rated 3 *only*; I always want 3 *or greater”. So I use Group By or Sort By, which do more or less accomplish this. They separate out the 4s and 5s from the 3s rather than comingle them all as I’d prefer, but it beats hiding the 4s and 5s entirely likw Filter does.

    Shadow/Highlight - actually a *much* more sophisticated tool than Levels, or Curves, or indeed, anything in PSE as far as I know.

    Worksapces - I too wish thumb sizes were preserved, and would imagine this could be implemented in a way that wasn’t *too* painful. Seems a few other things I wish were preserved about a workspace layout aren’t, but I can’t remember what they ar, as I pretty much gave up on using it.

    Keeping db info in sync with IPTC - definitely an area where ACDSee needs work. I have my Batch Set Information defaults set up to do the copying I need, and it takes only two keystrokes (one to bring up the dialog, one to start the operation) to do the job. So I’m more or less in the habit of doing this immediately after altering any existing metadata. Still, I wish I didn’t have to.

  4. Andy Says:

    Thanks Marc - nice to hear your comments. I actually spent some time with the Shadow/Highlight tool after reading both comments and did add some info to the review. I agree that it is more powerful than I first realized and is a fine addition to the editor. It just further pushes Pro 2 towards the top of the DAM stack … if the developers can fix the few bugs and add some needed sync and search capabilities, they really might have a huge winner on their hands.

    Only time will tell!

  5. Gene Says:

    I too really liked this version. Unfortunately the image processing(esp. RAW) on my P4/3.6 2gbs ram, was painfully slow. So slow I quickly grew frustrated and didn’t bother exploring all the other terrific features you’ve pointed out.

    I compared the RAW output to PSE (ACR)and Canon DPP. I liked ACDSee the best, but my PC just can’t handle it. I found the same to be true of PSE6 too. Although not quite as slow it was noticeably slower than v5.

    Great review BTW.

    Gene

  6. Andy Says:

    Hi Gene - thx for your comments. That’s interesting to hear about the slowness on your PC. I’m using an Athlon 64 3.0 machine with 1GB of memory to test with and didn’t run into too much slowness - I should try it with my P4 2.4 1GB machine to see what I get - I might just try that!

    For a RAW editor, you might want to give Rawshooter a shot if you can find a copy of it around (its not for sale any longer as they were bought out by Adobe and Lightroom now has most of the features of RSP) - but it ran pretty well on my old P4 machine.

    I glad you like the review… stay tuned for more of them! Thx again - Andy.

  7. Tomas Says:

    I have ACDSee v8 and use it for sports event JPGs to cull and quickly edit large batches of images. Never used the DAM features, but am considering upgrading to Pro 2 to do that with my RAW files. It is selling for $65 at their website right now. Please see my comment under you first post for more.
    Keep the reviews coming. Much needed and appreciated.
    Tomas

  8. Andy Says:

    Hi Tomas.. thx again for your comments!

    I really like Pro 2 as I mentioned above. It is very fast, has some great features and tools and above all - handles many different types of assets beyond images (avi’s, fonts, etc).

    The things holding it back for a power user are its lack of scripting and its weaker search tools.. I hope these will be added to Pro 3. If they are, then Pro 3 will be one of the top contenders in the market.. especially given its decent RAW tools.

    Thx again - yes - more reviews are on the way with IMatch coming out next followed by some smaller programs. I have Lightroom on the board for July as well.. Busy!!! :)

  9. Michael Says:

    I gave up @ version 8 as my needs for Unicode support outstripped ACDSee’s usefulness. Unfortunately, I haven’t seen any signs that the dev team have worked towards that issue. Posting on the forums regarding this (and not being the only person w/ this concern, by far!), I saw no responses from ACDSee.

    So anyone required more than English characters, it’d be in your best interests to make sure that Unicode is supported before purchasing this software.

    As a previous buyer, ACDSee sends me special offers from time to time. I did around to see if Unicode has been added, but end up deleting every offer as I can find no proof that Unicode is on their agenda.

    Unfortunate :(

  10. Andy Says:

    Hi Michael - thx for stopping by and commenting!

    I agree that there does seem to be a disconnect between the users, marketing and development for ACDSee.. I’ve read the forums as well many times and features such as Unicode have been requested for a long time.. marketing agrees but doesn’t seem to have convinced Development to include it.

    I’m hoping to get onboard with the Pro 3 beta team (will be under NDA though) and will certainly bring this up with them as a major feature needed to keep up with the competition out there.

    In the meantime, have you seen this message in the forums? Perhaps it might work as a temporary workaround if you’d like to try it on a trial version..

    http://forums.acdsystems.com/index.php?showtopic=7369&hl=unicode

    I really like what Pro2 has going on in the software and hope they can keep it together and moving forward as a company…. Pro 2 is my 2nd choice so far after Idimager and if Pro 3 can add some featuers and refine a few things.. it could be something really nice!

  11. HJ Says:

    Thanks so much for providing all of the DAM information.
    I was really impressed when I found Pro2. It seemed like there were always 2 or 3 ways to do everything. Lots of flexibility but a hard learning curve.
    I was trying to initially catalog 20,000+ images and found it to be extremely slow (minutes to finish a selection) in handling large selections.
    Sometimes the system would freeze and crash. I also kept getting error messages when trying to sync Metadata.
    The customer support was so bad that after waiting 3 months for a resolution to the error messages I got a refund and have never looked back !!
    I started using iView and found it to be a “great” product. Along came Microsoft and now iView / Expression Media is just an aging product which seems to be going no where.
    Andy, how does IDimager stack up with iView as that seems like my only hope for a good DAM product ??

  12. Inge Says:

    Hi,

    I’ve used ACDSee more on than off since version 7. There are a few things I hate about it (my current version is Pro 2).

    1. It adds metadata like keyword from any photo viewed - even in excluded folders.

    2. Doesn’t support unicode, which means that sometimes it messes with my keywords.

    3. More customizeable toolbars. Being able to add or remove icons - not only whole toolbars. There are a lot of trivial/”fun stuff” that I never use and that I don’t want to be taking up space.

    Since I can’t use it as my main DAM software it has become more like just another browser. I recently uninstalled it and only use Photo Mechanic as my browser now. Expression Media and Lightroom does the rest of the job.

    Other than that it’s fast to use.

  13. Andy Says:

    Hi HJ/Inge - thank you so very much for stopping by and posting your comments.. let me try to answer them as best as I can.

    HJ - That’s interesting that you ran into slowness issues with Pro 2 as that is one of the main things I found it had going for it - it was quite fast for me! I was able to import, sync, keyword and sync again very quickly without error on multiple occasions - I wonder if perhaps you might have an incompatibility on your system that is causing some of the issues?

    I agree about Iview - er - Expression Media. EM seems to be a bit rough around the edges and seems more suitable for folks that need an application where sharing assets across projects is important.. as a simple DAM tool - it tries to be more than it is. I will have a review of EM coming out in the next few weeks.

    In my opinion - Idimager is a much better (and more stable) product that Iview is/was. The nice things about Idimager is you have instant access to the developer who listens to his userbase and updates his product on a seemingly weekly basis. New features are constantly being added as well… it is a refreshing change of pace from the mega-companies that do not listen to their users needs… I highly recommend it!

    Inge - I know Unicode has been a huge request for a few versions now and as far as I know.. the developers have it on their plate for Pro 3 - no idea of an ETA for that.. I agree with you about customization.. I a huge fan of GUI’s that let you do what you want with them to make them appear exactly how you want them to…. even by specific task in your workflow if you’d like.

    Sounds like you have a bunch of tools in place to help you get through your workflow which is great - PM is fast for browsing and Lightroom is great for photo modifications and gallery building.. EM I’m still trying to get my hands around to see how I feel about.. stay tuned for my review in a few weeks.

    Anyway.. thx again for your comments.. I hope my thoughts back help! - Andy.

  14. Philip Daniels Says:

    I think you need to do an update for ACDSee Pro. Version 2.5 has some significant changes, notably support for XMP including the storing of it’s Categories structures in a manner that maintains their hierarchy so that “animal/bear/cub” is different to “organisation/scouting/cub”. Also I think the new version might support Unicode. The upgrade from 2.0 to 2.5 is free, but I would read the ACDSee Pro 2.5 forums before upgrading as there are a few pitfalls.

    A major plus for the new XMP support is that it’s now possible to build an ACDSee Pro database from the metadata imbedded with the images.

  15. Gerd Says:

    IIRC the ACDSee Pro2 is not able to manage more than one single database. For many users this is a deal breaker.

  16. Tommy Says:

    My number one concern of a DAM product is:

    Will it enable me to speed tag my photos? This is the most important thing for me as most DAM products are pretty good at providing good search capabilities.

    I would like speed tagging to work like this:

    1) Create a number of tags
    2) Assign key shortcuts to the most common tags
    3) Start working your way through your images

    a) image is displayed
    b) press “s” for “shaun”, press “t” for tommy”, press “w” for “winter” a.s.o…
    c) press enter, next image, repeat from a)

    What DAM tool will come closest to this? Please leave a reply to me tommy –at– infografix.nu.

    Thx!!

  17. Andy Says:

    Hi Tommy - thx for stopping by! I think you can accomplish this with a number of products - but it might take it far as you’d like.

    Lightroom will allow you to setup Keyword Sets - groups of keywords (1-9) that you can use to assign to photos. You might setup a Set of family members, another for common places you visit, etc. You can then assign keywords to your photos using the Alt+# keys - the keyword in that spot (think numeric keypad positioning) will be assinged to the photo. If you want to “load” a different Set of keywords, you can use the Alt+0 key… it will cycle through them. Not perfect… but as close as you are going to get I think.

  18. Larsvt Says:

    I have used ACD since 2001 but am looking for a new solution. So I agree strongly with Gerd. Having several PCs, EHDs and a lot of different people taking pictures I need to be able to switch from one database to another. Not possible with ACDSee. I think ACD have to store all the information together with the files, the metadata. Version 2.5 creates XMP-files I do not want before closing the program, and I am not able to switch this function off or getting proper information how to stop this. Else the program is excellent, specially for showing pictures to an audience.

  19. AndyE Says:

    Like a few others who have posted here, I have used ACDSee for quite a while. I’ve been using Pro 2.5 since it came out, and have had an overall positive experience with it…until now. About 2 weeks ago, with no known changes to my PC, Pro 2.5 simply stopped working. As in it wouldn’t even open. I’d double-click the desktop icon or select it from the Start Menu, the hard drive would crank away, there were a few (usually 2, but sometimes 3) beeps, and that was it. No error messages, nothing. I tried several things as suggested on their website (removing thumbnail files, moving default database, etc.) and none of them helped. I finally uninstalled and reinstalled and was able to get it launch. Thinking I saw a light at the end of the tunnel, I started to re-catalog my 30,000+ images. Unfortunately, that light was apparently an oncoming train, because Pro 2.5 choked somewhere in the middle of the night and I was back to the beeping. I sent a message through their website asking for help and clearly explaining that I had tried the steps given on their website. After a few days, I got a response telling me to try what was on their website. This is a personal pet peeve of mine (an automaton in support telling me to try what I just said I had already tried), so I’m looking for something to replace Pro 2.5. Perhaps Pro 3 will work, but I’m not sure I want to trust Beta software as my primary tool. Still, I may try it because I have really enjoyed Pro 2.5…until now.

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